THANKS Rosie needed that I just deleted the old account again an will try one more time I have had a long day been working on one of the neighbors PUG I know I never heard of one either It is a ATV like a 4 wheeler but has a steering wheel an a 16 hp B&S vanguard 2 cylender engine It had set for a couple years an everytingi is a cruddy mess got it running yesterday an then he brought me some more gas for it (well it was 2/3 water) i found out tday so back to the carb this makes 6 times I have cleaned it so far an now the tank OK back to running then it raines me out again I canno't win lately BUT it it hard to completely keep a ol hardheaded houn down now I am just about too tired to COOK supper but if I don't do it houndog goes hungry yippee the life of an old worthless houn